Each year, The Dormouse's school holds a "Back to School Night" as I'm sure do most schools. The idea is for the kids to come with parents and find their classrooms, meet their teachers, etc. so they will feel comfortable on the first day. Our district holds this Back to School Night solidly at the end of the second week every year because OF COURSE THEY DO. Ignoring the logic of that, let me describe what happened last year at Back to School Night:
Teacher sees me from across the room and comes up to me.
Me, trying to say, something to the effect of 'Hi, I'm Alice, I'm The Dormouse's mother and this is my husband, The KingofHearts, her father,' but only really getting out: "Hah...." before she interrupts me.
Her: *smiling big* "I have to tell you, your daughter is SO LOUD. And she talks ALL. THE. TIME." *emphatic hand gestures*
Good to meet you to, ma'am. Thanks for the great first impression.
We talked for a little while and the entire time she never said one positive thing about my child.
But I'm kind of in love with teachers so as the year progressed I tried to shrug that off and chalk that up to the ridiculousness of putting thirty-some-odd sets of parents in a room at the same time and expecting a single teacher to talk to them all individually. The problem was as the year progressed, things didn't actually improve all that much. Look, we know our kid has a loud voice and talks too much. We know she has focus issues. For hell's sake, SHE knows that. But we also know that there are at least fifteen kids in the class who fall into the same category - all of whom have been in the same class together since Kindergarten. We know that behavior is something we have to work on with her. We are working on that with her. But I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that that's not the only thing about our kid that defines her. And as second grade progressed, it seemed like for that teacher at least, it kinda sorta was.
I dealt with that teacher as professionally and as courteously as I could. I asked her to help us work with our daughter. I asked for behavior plans and strategies. I admitted The Dormouse was responsible for her own behavior. I also asked her to realize that when fifteen other kids are talking it's hard not to join in and when you reprimand only the one with the loudest voice, that doesn't really send the right message. Basically, the only response I ever got was "she just needs to shut up." Yeah, got that, lady.
I'm not saying that last year was horrible, but it could easily have been better. It would have probably helped immensely had the teacher taken any one of the three recommended training courses provided to teachers who are working with kids like The Dormouse, but she didn't. She just told me that she gives them "extra" when they get bored. Extra work? Extra beatings? Extra what, I asked. She never could satisfactorily answer that question. Needless to say, I wasn't sorry to see second grade go and spent my time this summer looking forward to third.
So when we got ready to head out to Back to School Night yesterday, I actually had high hopes. New year. New outlook. Same group of talking seven year olds, but hey, new teacher. I should have known what I was in for when The KingofHearts got stuck in traffic and could neither attend nor help me wrangle The Caterpillar so she began running circles around the classroom with all the grace of a hamster on a wheel.
I should have known when the video from the principal ended and the teacher forgot to turn off the television, so it reverted to regular TV and a scene from How I Met Your Mother of two naked people in bed.
I should have known when The Dormouse walked up to me in the back of the room during the teachers' speech, hiked up her skirt, reached into her underwear, pulled out her hand and handed me a domino.
I should have known when The Dormouse walked up to me in the back of the room during the teachers' speech, hiked up her skirt, reached into her underwear, pulled out her hand and handed me a domino.
I actually was fairly impressed with this teacher. She seems to have done a lot of preparation for this year, has strategies in place, has done some continuing education and plans to do more. So I was pretty hopeful when she approached me and introduced herself. Then she followed it with:
"I have to tell you, there has already been an issue with talking too much and we need to get her to quiet down and focus on her work."
Ooookay.
We talked about that for a bit, me saying I know and we're working on that and blah blah blahs, we support her in her behavior plan some other such tripe but what can you really get into when you have seconds only while other parents are forming a cue behind you? Then she moved onto another parent.
I only realized when she began talking to the other parent (of another talkative kid I personally know) and she started off by saying, "Let me tell you, little Jill is sweet and really excited to learn and she's going to be great to have in class...." that that teacher hadn't said one positive thing about my daughter in our interaction.
Look, I know everyone thinks their preshus, speshul, miracle is God's gift to elementary school education and perfect in every way. I'm no different. So I don't expect teachers to bow down and thank me for my kid's presence in their classroom (though that would be nice occasionally). I'm a therapist, not a teacher, and I get that real world managing a classroom of thirty or so rugrats is totally different from doing a one on one or a small group. But my understanding from educational research I've read makes me expect that my kid should get at least as much positive reinforcement as negative. More would be better. I don't think it's unreasonable to be able to focus on some of the positives my kid has too. Especially when the kids have been home for five of the first ten days of school due to hurricanes, earthquakes, power outages and building closures. Frankly, there's been a lot to talk about.
I'm still pretty cranky about the whole thing and trying to separate my own issues from The Dormouse's, but as I was talking to her about her behavior in school, she said something that made my heart weep:
"I'm just not a good student."
This, from a child who has never gotten a grade lower than an A.
But one who spent almost the entirety of last year getting reprimanded for her behavior. Behavior, I would argue, that was being exhibited by a good half of the class but that she was in many cases singled out for because she happens to have a louder voice than the others. She's already starting to think this is just who she is, the 'bad student' for whom math is hard. Children rise to meet your expectations and I don't want her meeting this particular ideal.
Enough about this bothered me that I decided to sit down and draft an email to the teacher. I began it with thanking her for all the preparation she's done and acknowledging The Dormouse's issues, but pointing out that we rarely heard positives from teachers in the past (I hate to point fingers, but it's going to be obvious who that teacher is) so I'd like to tell her a few of my daughter's good qualities and strategies that work for her too.
I still am undecided about whether to send this letter, but I don't want to do nothing until parent teacher conferences, which aren't for another three months. I want to address this now in positive ways, but I don't know whether this is just going to make the teacher defensive and the situation worse. On the other hand, I know a lot of parents who provide each new teacher with a prepared sheet of paper that describes their child, his strengths and weaknesses, what works and what doesn't for him. This is no different, right? On the other hand, it's also entirely possible that I'm overreacting. On the other hand, maybe I should just let the Interweb tell me what to do. Your thoughts? But on the other hand... there is no other hand!
Parenting is hard.
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September 3, 2011 at 11:18 AM
As a former teacher myself, THIS MAKES ME SO MAD!
Haven't these teachers learned that the most effective way to eradicate an undesired behavior is to reinforce the desired behavior??????
Of course, I was a perfect teacher...
The worst part of it all is how it's affecting your daughter's self image and attitude about learning. As a parent, I would be livid.
Having a low tolerance for noise myself, I do see how it would be a problem for the teacher, but if that's all she's looking for, that's all she see.
I had the parents fill out a questionnaire about their child's strengths and how they learn best, etc. I don't think you would be out of line at all in sending an email voicing your concerns. How the teacher takes it will be up to her, of course, but perhaps if you frame it in the context of your experience last year and your concerns about how TD views herself as a learner, she won't get defensive. It wouldn't hurt to enumerate her many positive qualities, too, so that the teacher can be looking for those. And here's a thought - the next time a teacher starts to go on about how loud she is, say, "Yeah, we sure love our little girl. She's so intelligent, and hardworking, and kind to people, and creative, and inquisitive, etc." That way TD can hear it from you, at least.
Public school. Too bad it's not the best learning environment for every kid.
September 3, 2011 at 12:07 PM
Send it. And then move into a better school district.
September 3, 2011 at 12:09 PM
September 5, 2011 at 1:57 AM
Just my two cents--while I've not done a lot of teaching with children, there is a lot of educational research on this issue, and if a teacher decides (or, I'm guessing in this case, is told by a previous teacher) that a child is a problem learner (because of behaviour or learning issues) that is what the next teacher will perceive and that is how they will treat the student and that is how the student will see themselves, and this can go on throughout education.
So, yes, I think it's really important to do whatever you can to help the situation here. I think it would be a good idea to write a letter talking up her strengths, her struggles last year, the progress you have seen, and your concerns about her self image. It might also be a good idea to check in again with the teacher before conferences to ask how it is going, so the teacher feels that you are trying to work with her on this. Good luck!
September 5, 2011 at 3:21 PM
I would send it, but I would make sure that it is complimentary to her current teacher. Make it clear that you want to be able to reinforce what the teacher is doing by doing the same things at home, and some of the things that have worked at home are "x/y/z/not making my daughter feel like a failure."
Maybe mention also that she has been having anxiety, low self-esteem, and negative feelings about herself and you want to make sure to protect her mental health.
And, last year, although the teacher tried very hard with this problem, I think her approach, which "was a/b/c/yelling at only my kid" didn't work so well, as the problem has continued. How can you and I work together to help her learn to speak more quietly and appropriately while rebuilding her self-esteem?
Also, ugh. I am so sorry. It sucks that you and your girl have to go through this. :(
September 6, 2011 at 10:45 AM
I am sure the previous teacher and the new teacher talked. I say send the letter. They need to change their attitude. I find it shocking that they are so negative about a student who does so well in school. I agree that at first you need to keep it positive toward the teacher, you don't want her to be an enemy but you need her to know you're not going to let her pick on your child.
September 6, 2011 at 12:41 PM
I agree about sending something and talking about what doesn't work, while also starting out by being complimentary to the current teacher, and by discussing what strategies you have used at home and what progress you've seen. You definitely could quote TD's exact comment about not being a good student, and follow that up with since she is smart and interested in learning, you want to nip that self-view in the bud. Makes a lot of sense to try to work on the teachers' comments that are giving TD this perception.
Also, as someone whose child at that age was very talkative, I remember one strategy we used at home - we played a game where we threw a koosh ball to everyone in the family, and only the person with the koosh could talk. Person without the koosh could not comment, but if he raised his hand, and the ball came to him (which it wouldn't immediately every time, just as in class he wouldn't always be called on), then he could comment. He didn't love it at first, but it helped him. Also we reminded him at the beginning of the day, and asked him at the end of the day how it went (which worked well for him, but if she's feeling down about it, might or might not -- but maybe asking 'was there a time when you wanted to talk but didn't because it wasn't your turn? Good! Well done.' and then talking about other school topics such as what they're actually learning, maybe that could be good. Or tangible positive reinforcement like stickers on days when she says it went well.
Feel free to ignore this part - you may not want advice on other strategies and this is just what we did with our particular kid.